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You are right 100x was me being parabolic, but I guess my thing is the exact magnitude of difference does not matter. No matter what it cannot ever be cheaper than a chicken. Specifically what cellular based meat products are at price parity?
My main problem with lab grown meat is that traditional meat production uses non sterile agricultural-grade inputs (e.g., grain, soy), which cost fractions of a cent per gram and are inedible to humans. Cellular agriculture requires pharmaceutical-grade, highly purified basal media, such as amino acids, sugars, and recombinant growth factors. The requirement for ultra-pure inputs alone means that it can never be economically competitive against traditional farming methods.
The other problem is the fact that a bioreactor doesn’t have an immune system. A single bacteria will ruin a 100 million dollar batch, meaning cellular agriculture mandates pharmaceutical-grade sterility. The money needed for sterilized infrastructure, advanced filtration, and constant environmental control is unfathomable. If drug companies need to do this and they sell their drugs for 1000s for a few milligrams do you really think that a company could ever do it selling kilograms of sterile meat for dollars? There’s also the need for monumental CAPEX to buy all this stainless steel plumbing and filtration and bioreactors which all rapidly depreciate the second they start producing.
While cellular agriculture does get rid of the biological waste of growing non-edible tissues (bones, feathers), the energy required to simulate circulatory, respiratory, and excretory systems within a bioreactor offsets these gains. Do you really think that any company could ever economically reckon with the above two points in addition to the unfathomable costs of maintaining literal miles of sterilized pipes and gigantic bioreactors that require continuous aeration, agitation, and thermal regulation in a sterile facility?
Cellular meat will always be a neat oddity at best, there is no beating a chicken. If we want to minimize suffering then a better and easier way to do it would be to engineer brain dead chickens that have no higher cognitive function but still eat and grow.
Don’t believe me for any of this? You shouldn’t, but you should believe the experts:
-study showing lab grown meat is way WORSE for the environment than traditional farming:
“The results indicate that the environmental impact of near-term animal cell-based meat (ACBM) production is likely to be orders of magnitude higher than median beef production if a highly refined growth medium is utilized for ACBM production.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.21.537778v1#:~:text=bioRxiv%202023.04.21.537778%3B%20doi%3A,org%2F10.1101%2F2023.04.21.537778
-summary explaining why lab grown meat will effectively never be economical due to extremely high baseline costs
https://faunalytics.org/can-cultured-meat-displace-conventional-meat
-Systemic review detailing how while lab grown meat drastically reduces land and usage, energy usage was far more compared to traditional farming practices.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsfoodscitech.5c00908#:~:text=This%20variability%20reflects%20differences%20in,renewable%20electricity%20mixes%20were%20assumed.
-“Capital- and operating-cost analyses of conceptual cell-mass production facilities indicate economics that would likely preclude the affordability of their products as food. The analysis concludes that metabolic efficiency enhancements and the development of low-cost media from plant hydrolysates are both necessary but insufficient conditions for displacement of conventional meat by cultured meat.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34101164/

You are right 100x was me being parabolic, but I guess my thing is the exact magnitude of difference does not matter. No matter what it cannot ever be cheaper than a chicken. Specifically what cellular based meat products are at price parity?
My main problem with lab grown meat is that traditional meat production uses non sterile agricultural-grade inputs (e.g., grain, soy), which cost fractions of a cent per gram and are inedible to humans. Cellular agriculture requires pharmaceutical-grade, highly purified basal media, such as amino acids, sugars, and recombinant growth factors. The requirement for ultra-pure inputs alone means that it can never be economically competitive against traditional farming methods.
The other problem is the fact that a bioreactor doesn’t have an immune system. A single bacteria will ruin a 100 million dollar batch, meaning cellular agriculture mandates pharmaceutical-grade sterility. The money needed for sterilized infrastructure, advanced filtration, and constant environmental control is unfathomable. If drug companies need to do this and they sell their drugs for 1000s for a few milligrams do you really think that a company could ever do it selling kilograms of sterile meat for dollars? There’s also the need for monumental CAPEX to buy all this stainless steel plumbing and filtration and bioreactors which all rapidly depreciate the second they start producing.
While cellular agriculture does get rid of the biological waste of growing non-edible tissues (bones, feathers), the energy required to simulate circulatory, respiratory, and excretory systems within a bioreactor offsets these gains. Do you really think that any company could ever economically reckon with the above two points in addition to the unfathomable costs of maintaining literal miles of sterilized pipes and gigantic bioreactors that require continuous aeration, agitation, and thermal regulation in a sterile facility?
Cellular meat will always be a neat oddity at best, there is no beating a chicken. If we want to minimize suffering then a better and easier way to do it would be to engineer brain dead chickens that have no higher cognitive function but still eat and grow.
Don’t believe me for any of this? You shouldn’t, but you should believe the experts:
-study showing lab grown meat is way WORSE for the environment than traditional farming:
“The results indicate that the environmental impact of near-term animal cell-based meat (ACBM) production is likely to be orders of magnitude higher than median beef production if a highly refined growth medium is utilized for ACBM production.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.21.537778v1#:~:text=bioRxiv%202023.04.21.537778%3B%20doi%3A,org%2F10.1101%2F2023.04.21.537778
-summary explaining why lab grown meat will effectively never be economical due to extremely high baseline costs
https://faunalytics.org/can-cultured-meat-displace-conventional-meat
-Systemic review detailing how while lab grown meat drastically reduces land and usage, energy usage was far more compared to traditional farming practices.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsfoodscitech.5c00908#:~:text=This%20variability%20reflects%20differences%20in,renewable%20electricity%20mixes%20were%20assumed.
-“Capital- and operating-cost analyses of conceptual cell-mass production facilities indicate economics that would likely preclude the affordability of their products as food. The analysis concludes that metabolic efficiency enhancements and the development of low-cost media from plant hydrolysates are both necessary but insufficient conditions for displacement of conventional meat by cultured meat.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34101164/