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Nah. I’m not a hater either. I genuinely like electric cars. They are the superior tech in every way. And my next one will 1000% be one.
But as long as my old one runs fine I’ll use it. This way it’s better for the environment, I only drive long distance for that it has better range than any E that I’d be willing to pay for, I learned how to do all the regular service myself for this one, and it’s beautiful with real buttons.
overall it’s better for me as long as it runs. But ofc if it was new ICE vs new E I’d go E.

The issue is that it's an ICE car :P

That is the least likely thing. If you want to worry, worry about them siccing ICE agents on polling places.

That’s where ICE will look first

Automakers have been put through the wringer on an industrial scale. I honestly feel bad for them. Emission standards, We Will Ban All ICE Vehicles By 2030 (lol jk), here’s a zillion bucks to make EVs (lol jk), also jk on the emission standards. Also we’ll make domestic labor entirely too expensive to make cars here, but also if you even think about manufacturing them overseas you will be ruined by import taxes. Figure it out.
It’s no wonder the US auto manufacturers want to get back into weapons.

Ich weiß, es ist in der heutigen schwarz/weiss (bev vs. ice) Welt schwer zu differenzieren, aber hast du schon mal in Betracht gezogen, dass die Deutsche Automobilindustrie mit beiden Antriebssparten Geld verdient?
Das eine davon (ICE) gut ausentwickelt ist, man dort noch im jeweiligen Segment führend ist; aber am aller wichtigsten: Man noch gute Profite macht!
Warum das über Nacht wegwerfen, ein ganzes Businessfeld?
BEV verschlafen? Technisch offensichtlich nicht. Umsatz und Profit steigt auch dort. Wie weit und lang man Wirtschaftskrieg aushält, ist eine andere Frage.

Nah. I’m not a hater either. I genuinely like electric cars. They are the superior tech in every way. And my next one will 1000% be one.
But as long as my old one runs fine I’ll use it. This way it’s better for the environment, I only drive long distance for that it has better range than any E that I’d be willing to pay for, I learned how to do all the regular service myself for this one, and it’s beautiful with real buttons.
overall it’s better for me as long as it runs. But ofc if it was new ICE vs new E I’d go E.

The issue is that it's an ICE car :P

That is the least likely thing. If you want to worry, worry about them siccing ICE agents on polling places.

That’s where ICE will look first

Automakers have been put through the wringer on an industrial scale. I honestly feel bad for them. Emission standards, We Will Ban All ICE Vehicles By 2030 (lol jk), here’s a zillion bucks to make EVs (lol jk), also jk on the emission standards. Also we’ll make domestic labor entirely too expensive to make cars here, but also if you even think about manufacturing them overseas you will be ruined by import taxes. Figure it out.
It’s no wonder the US auto manufacturers want to get back into weapons.

Ich weiß, es ist in der heutigen schwarz/weiss (bev vs. ice) Welt schwer zu differenzieren, aber hast du schon mal in Betracht gezogen, dass die Deutsche Automobilindustrie mit beiden Antriebssparten Geld verdient?
Das eine davon (ICE) gut ausentwickelt ist, man dort noch im jeweiligen Segment führend ist; aber am aller wichtigsten: Man noch gute Profite macht!
Warum das über Nacht wegwerfen, ein ganzes Businessfeld?
BEV verschlafen? Technisch offensichtlich nicht. Umsatz und Profit steigt auch dort. Wie weit und lang man Wirtschaftskrieg aushält, ist eine andere Frage.

GuMo FAB, aus einem pünktlichen ICE. Rolltreppen am Südkreuz Richtung Schöneberg haben vor einer Woche funktioniert. Kaum links gewählt, und schon passieren Wunder. Inzwischen stehen sie natürlich wieder still, aber immerhin.

**Best positioned to benefit**
Ranked by exposure to the two strongest money laws, program position, and—where known—actual awards or obligations. “Positioned” is not the same as revenue booked
.
**All**
**Defense**
**Border**
**Energy**
**01**
**Lockheed Martin**
F-35 funding is explicit—$8.5B for 69 aircraft—alongside PAC-3 MSE, THAAD, Next Generation Interceptor and a Golden Dome prototype slot. About 72% of 2025 revenue came from the U.S. government.
**PROGRAM FUNDED**
**P.L. 119-21 / 75**
**02**
**RTX**
AMRAAM, SM-6, Tomahawk and LTAMDS align RTX with the $25B munitions surge; Raytheon also sits in the Golden Dome interceptor prototype pool.
**POSITIONED**
**MUNITIONS**
**03**
**General Dynamics**
Electric Boat shares the $4.6B second FY2027 Virginia-class submarine line with HII-Newport News. Mission Systems won a Golden Dome prototype OTA; ordnance is positioned for munitions.
**DIRECT PROGRAM HOOK**
**SHIPS + MISSILES**
**04**
**Northrop Grumman**
B-21, Sentinel ICBM and Next Generation Interceptor align with the $15B nuclear-deterrence and $25B Golden Dome titles. It is also an interceptor prototype winner.
**POSITIONED**
**DETERRENCE**
**05**
**Huntington Ingalls**
The purest public shipbuilding exposure: two DDG-51s funded at $5.4B with Bath Iron Works, Virginia-class work with General Dynamics, and access to the $36.9B FY2026 Navy ship account.
**PROGRAM FUNDED**
**SHIPBUILDING**
**06**
**Boeing**
F-15EX, KC-46, T-7A and MQ-25 make Boeing a broad incumbent beneficiary, with additional ordnance and services exposure.
**POSITIONED**
**AIR SYSTEMS**
**07**
**L3Harris**
Shares a $1.75B Space Development Agency order for 36 missile-tracking satellites with Sierra Space, feeding the Golden Dome sensor layer.
**AWARDED**
**$1.75B SHARED**
**08**
**SpaceX**
One of 12 Golden Dome space-interceptor prototype winners, with launch and Starshield positioning. Production awards remain ahead, not guaranteed.
**PROTOTYPE**
**GOLDEN DOME**
**09**
**GEO Group / CoreCivic**
The clearest obligated-dollar border winners: 2025 ICE obligations of $2.1B to GEO and $653.5M to CoreCivic; DHS also acquired four CoreCivic facilities for $2.2B.
**OBLIGATED / FLOWING**
**DETENTION**
**10**
**CSI / Classic Air / MVM**
2025 ICE obligations reached $1.1B for CSI Aviation, $800.2M for Classic Air Charter and $1.1B for MVM, tying the group to deportation and transport spending.
**OBLIGATED**
**TRANSPORT**
**11**
**Bechtel / Honeywell / BWXT**
DOE/NNSA weapons activities—roughly $20B in FY2026 appropriations—and the $15B nuclear-deterrence title flow through management, operations and naval-reactor contracts.
**POSITIONED**
**NNSA**
**12**
**Palantir**
A roughly $30M no-bid ImmigrationOS award plus Army data and AI work gives Palantir smaller absolute dollars but greater growth leverage on the $16B innovation title.
**AWARDED**
**AI / DATA**
**READ THE RANK CORRECTLY**
Private contractors captured about 54% of DoD discretionary spending from 2020–2024—roughly $2.4T. The top five primes took $771B; Lockheed alone took $313B in constant FY2025 dollars. That installed base is why incumbents dominate this forward-looking ranking. [Source](https://aoav.org.uk/2025/war-as-business-the-real-winners-of-americas-endless-conflict/)

If the next president is not a republican then I would short Geo group. A private prison company that received a lot of government money through ICE.

I'm not the one with spreadsheet alchemy.  Accidents are already reduced by autonomous driving.  FSD isn't perfect, but it doesn't drink and drive, it doesn't speed, it doesn't get road rage.  And autonomous crashes of leases vehicles, aside from gross negligence such as failure to replace tires, are going to be the fault of the manufacturer, not the owner.  If you're driving your new car and a verifiable defect causes the brakes to lose pressure and you mow down a girlscout on the crosswalk, do you think your insurance company is paying out or the manufacturer?  A video and software data available to show a glitch or gap in software during FSD mode is no different.
But don't take my word for it, there are plenty of studies out there on how long-term insurance companies are going to need to deal with reduced revenue when FSD eventually becomes ubiquitous.
My math displayed earlier clearly showed a conservative crack with an average rider cost of $10 per ride and 50% of that then going to fees.  I like your 20% figure better for my point but you haven't thought that through.
Charging costs are paid for by letting your car do enough rides.  5 a day is more than enough to offset.
Car cleaning!  I'm glad you brought that up!  It shows you've taken the time to detail why I'm wrong but not the 5 seconds to actually research yourself.  Let me start by saying fuck Elon, but they've not only theoretically solved this but have already begun rolling it out.  When it's charging how difficult is it to vacuum a car YOU designed for robotic cleaning?  Answer is that it's not problematically difficult.  Spills and vomits are as simple as banning repeat offenders or charging fees.  For $100 I'll deal with it and the shitty rider can find a new rideshare if they don't like it.
The lease mileage/depreciation is speculation in any direction.  Current leases and leases cars are built on a business model of having to resell the car for substantially less after the lease is up.  We're moving to an appliance model here.  Given Tesla's history of doing things like eating the cost of charging to attract buyers, I find it unlikely they're going to penalize people making them extra money via their slice of the rideshare pie.
Fuck Elon, and long term it's almost impossible that smarter, newer efficient overseas manufacturers don't eat their lunch soon.  But in general the model of really cheap autonomous taxi/cars making it a luxury NOT to own one is inevitable.  EVs are really super simple compared to even just the transmission of an ICE car, never the actual ICE and the hundreds of wear parts and multiples more maintenance.  And computers are already better drivers than your average person, even if not perfect.
It probably won't be Tesla and it might be 20 years, but unless you think we've reached the peak of technology at being 90% of the way to FSD there's no logic as to why it won't be the norm for these appliances.  Not to mention drastically reduce what we spend on transportation at a time when the average new car is $50k and driven by a meatbag idiot.

ICE just detained my robot janitor what do

Why do I get the feeling this press conference is a top signal?
"We have the best AI, ICE get rid of dirty migrants and 'the worst people in the world', everyone will get rich".

Have you heard of ICE? They are gonna send you to a random trip.

I guess he could break up the party quite fast if he invited ICE, they could take away half the tabel. 😂