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A lot of people I work with talk, semi jokingly, about what they'd do if the Apocalypse happened. For a lot of young males this is something they don't quite take seriously, but want to at least be somewhat prepared for.
An EV is a far better prep than an ICE vehicle. The latter will force you into joining some Mad Max style crew desperately seeking fuel 24/7 and fighting over it. The former will allow you to have some solar panels on your roof constantly charging your vehicle for when you need it, regardless of the state of global industry, supply chains, heavy equipment and large organisations drilling, scouting, transporting, refining and pumping some black liquid to supply ICE vehicles.
I've started making this point.

this why regulatory capture is a bad thing.
SEC, FCC, EPA, CDC, FBI, CIA, DHS, ICE, ATF (most likely by merger with FBI)

Republicans are engineering an economic emergency with uncontrolled deficit spending, high prices, and wars on Iran and Cuba to throttle the economy and hurt the lower class (poor) to make them demonstrate in the streets.
Trump will put the National Guard in all major cities in America to prepare for food shortages, economic collapse, financial collapse, and a national draft. They’ll need law enforcement, ICE, and the National Guard in all the major cities, especially in Democratic cities like Los Angeles, Boston and Chicago where they expect the resistance to be the greatest. Will happen before 2028 elections.

There's a world of difference between the old ICE+CVT setup and the current Hybrid, eCVT setup. The latter can always engage the electric motor instantly, and it's massively larger torque means it starts the ICE portion instantly as well. There's no 'starter engaging' step like the CVT setup uses, so no jarring restart at stop lights and such.
I've owned and driven for years on both platforms, and the eCVT is hugely superior in that regard.

I heard this great argument that I know use everytime the ICE v. EV debate starts:
Imagine the opposite: everyone has always used EVs. Sell me an ICE car, and explain why it's better.
The *only* argument that has something is traveling long distances continuously. But that usecase doesn't apply to 90% of daily usage of cars.

Does he know ICE isn’t ICE?

INR depreciation is basically an oil and inflation problem. The more expensive oil make INR weak by eroding forex reserves. If we want a stronger Rupee, we need to stop importing fuel. The only way out is a massive shift to EVs and higher taxes on ICE vehicles to discourage it.

He is not a bit rough about the edges. He is mean, arrogant and beyond incompetent. He started a war with Iran because HE said that Iran has nuclear weapons. Yeah right, and Irak had weapons of mass destruction, according to Bush. He took out the food stamps, health care and increased the funding for ICE and Homeland Security in a while the American public is struggling. He is running the economy the same way he ran his casinos…we all know the outcome.

Thanks for the ALFRED and Nasdaq suggestions. I tested both.
ALFRED — conclusively truncated. I ran a vintage sweep on BAMLH0A0HYM2 across five pre‑cutoff dates (2024‑01‑01, 2025‑06‑01, 2026‑01‑01, 2026‑04‑01, 2026‑04‑15) with observation\_start=1996‑01‑01. Every vintage returned the same \~3‑year rolling window starting 2023‑05‑16 — zero observations before the truncation date. The earliest vintage I tried (2020‑01‑01) returned "series does not exist in ALFRED." The truncation is retroactive across all vintages, consistent with ICE BofA licensing. This path is dead.
Nasdaq Data Link — inaccessible without auth. The API endpoint for FRED/BAMLH0A0HYM2 returns HTTP 403 (Incapsula bot block) without an account. I didn't sign up, but even if accessible, Nasdaq's FRED mirror is downstream of the same ICE‑licensed data and would presumably inherit the same truncation. I couldn't verify it either way without an account, but given the ALFRED result, it's a low‑expected‑value path.

Went well with OldE 800 ICE

I like to think he doesn't know it's not that ICE

He did put money on ICE then

Very similar. Tiny difference. Might not be enough of a difference to make a difference for you, either way.
SPHY tracks the ICE BofA US High Yield Index
SCYB tracks the ICE BofA US Cash Pay High Yield Constrained Index. Since inception this has had a similar, bu slightly lower total return performance. This may be due to the risk mitigation strategy in this index.

If MSFT dumps on Monday, I’m sending ICE to Nadella’s house

It’s ironic because ICE has been getting a fortune off of them for decades.

The whole India and china has more gold than all the gold vaults combined. But those are assets saved for rainy days and not in use. And no government in their right mind would take away those gold, people would burn the MP, MLAs alive if it comes to that. So that's not a practical solution in my opinion.
About EV, the government can do mandate, but an EV costs a lot more upfront that ICE car, and a middle class person with mild car usage would never recover the cost of the extra money paid for EV car in the lifetime of running the car. So the government is afraid of slowing down domestic car market and job loss. It has to be graded and calculated as I understand. What do you say?

Pay off R&D, pay off retooling a factory, lower production amounts, new technology, and like the other guy said, batteries.
Companies like Kia and Hyundai are getting to the point where electric and ICE are close to the same cost.

two routes that dont need a DM. first, ALFRED, FRED's archival sister site, keeps dated vintages of most series. pull a vintage from before the late-april cutoff and you get the full 1996-onward history as it stood that day. second, the OAS series is derived from the underlying ICE index, so anyone on a bloomberg or refinitiv terminal can rebuild it from source. if you need it programmatically, Nasdaq Data Link historically mirrored FRED and may still hold the pre-truncation snapshot. ALFRED is the cleanest path, free and official, try that first

What would I like to see Tesla do most with that flexibility?
The same thing I’ve always wanted…to see them create innovative product that push humanity towards a sustainable, energy independent, future.
Now, it just so happens that Teslas main area of expertise is vehicle design and production, so I’ll start there. While the CyberTruck may be innovative in some areas of technology, it does NOT move the needle on long term scale and sustainable, energy independent futures. Not from an economics perspective, and not even from a usability/performance perspective.
The next big area of concern for me is in Battery innovations. It’s clear that the 4680 cells are not the future Tesla intended. I’m sure they can still be used for mega packs and maybe even Optimus. But for vehicles, the batteries that CATL announced at the Chinese auto show leave Tesla battery innovations in the dust.
And this is the last point that I make to ICE vehicle / motor head / gear head fans. In EVs the battery is comparable to the Engine of an ICE vehicle. The EV “motor” is really a better comparison to an ICE transmission. Race Gear heads love to tweak both to optimize performance, but one can obviously generate a lot more difference than the other.
Tesla needs to renew / enhance its existing relationship with CATL and bring those next gen batteries to US vehicles.
One last point: cut its loses/investment in the lithium refining plant. It’s a distraction and between the existing low price of lithium and future battery chemistries, and they fact that other companies (CATL, BYD, Panasonic) are better at battery innovation, it’s an unnecessary asset & will most likely become an operational liability.

Wow, that's a new low – I thought side-wide temp bans are only for calling out transphobes or ICE.
I'm so glad that Reddit is something to protect the most discriminated among us: The corporations.