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If you hang out here in there, youtube, news, reddit, twitter - you will see negative comments, headers, opinions and reviews about NIO.
Is negativity around the company justified? 100% No.
Is negativity around the share price or action justified? 100% No.
Company? Not much needed to talk about.
Product is 100/100
Execution 100/100
Same for service, brande image, product catalog and pricing, management.
Everything is maxed out.
Share price?
The price was held for such a long period under or close to IPO price, that anyone with even average strategy or plan could average down below $10.
So who spark negativity?
1. News and websites - paid by short institute. Focusing on any "bad" issue to highlight it and create micro panic events.
(Eletric-Vehicles.com, many more)
2. Low vibration, low freq, victimized retail investors who are down big, and for a long time, professional sufferers. They also have no mental capacity for investing, strategy, plan, or market awareness.
3. Youtubers paid by shorts, or shorting themselves (The Electric Viking.. many more)
4. Youtuve coverers who pretend to be a NIO bull, so you feel they are in YOUR side, but actually push bad vibes, fear, panic and negative highlights.
5. Retail shorts - the worst kind.
6. Hedge funds like Citron - pushing fake bear "reports" to install fear and panic.
7. Bank analysts, driven by paid management to create market sentiment and movement.
8. Competing companies, paying influencers to put fake data, fake news or reviews.
9. The ICE and petrol industry. No need to clarify on this..
10. US institute - creating pressure on Chinese entities.

It is VERY important to ignore ANY negativity about NIO.
Focus on holding shares. Ownership.
NIO will become a profit monster soon.
A world leader.
A tech leader.
A production leader.
Mr. William Li is the most exciting, visionary and honest CEO in the world.
You better put your money on whatever he's working, and ditch any negative piece of data regarding NIO or its management.
Selling 1+ million EVs, premium price, not a single issue or complaint in the most difficult and demanding market in the world is a serious thing.
NIO currently has more orders per week than Tesla, in China. That says everything.
EV PEOPLE - love Tesla, as first movers.
PEOPLE - LOVE NIO.

NIO target ahead (as said by William Li) is selling 5 million cars per year.
Most of you probably missed out on that.
Ditch negativity, adopt positivity.
That's my honest advice for you.

I guess that was for ICE.

Good breakdown. The Adenza acquisition was the big question mark for me too — $10B is a hefty price tag. What I find encouraging is how quickly they've been paying down the debt from that deal. If they keep that pace, the interest expense drag goes away and the underlying earnings power becomes much clearer. The multiple compression vs ICE/CME already prices in some of that uncertainty, so if the deleveraging story plays out, there's a real margin of safety at current levels.

$NDAQ has been on my watchlist for a while. Imho is a very good stock at a reasonable price, and growth trajectory is quite predicatable. The stock price dipped in the first semester because of AI concerns concerning Nasdaq’s software business, but I think that they are undue.
$NDAQ is known for its stock exchange and indexes, but its software businesses provide highly recurring revenue and cross-selling opportunities thanks to acquisition (for example, Adenza).
In the sector I also like $ICE, that is a a good compounder as well. The management is better (ICE is founder-led) and the stock is a little bit cheaper,; the growth is steady (but slower than Nasdaq’s) and well diversified.

CME > ICE

ICE > Nasdaq

>Italien hat mit der expansiven Fiskalpolitik ein hochmodernes Hochgeschwindigkeitsnetzwerk im Zugverkehr erhalten. 
Selbst wenn wir das Geld dafür zur Verfügung stellen würden wird sowas eh nicht umgesetzt. Bei uns in der Nähe ist eine der am meist befahrenen ICE Strecken Deutschlands. Bereits seit den 1980er Jahren wird an einer Erweiterung bzw. einer zweiten Strecke geplant. Bisher gibt es noch nicht mal ganz grob einen finalen Streckenverlauf. Aber in den 2040er Jahren soll es angeblich fertig sein.

You could pick sectors that are down. This way you spread the risks over multiple stocks in a sector you deem good to hold for a couple of years.
My advise would be to look at healthcare, financials and software. Also think about buying some CBOE, ICE or CME as a volatility hedge.
If you wanna get more spicy, pick a small amount of AI infrastructure stocks like Marvell, Coherent, Arista or Credo. Safer AI would be Nvidia; since it is getting cheaper by the quarter.
Stocks go up and down, but when in doubt: zoom out.

Yay! What are we celebrating?
Elon hitting trillionaire? ICE? Mango earning 2.2 Bn during his presidency? War in iran? Israel?
All of the above?

Careful. ICE monitoring this shit

every country has it's burden, it's benefits and it's average tax rate. If I am in the upper mid class my average tax and contributions for health and pension are up to 50% regardless in which country I am living in. Some countries have a clearly uneven distribution of wealth.
And each country gets what it deserves... you can decide by yourself if Trump is a benefit or a burden, but 50.01% elected him and 100% of all citiizens inside of the USA and 50% of all citizens outside of the USA have to live with that what he thinks is "art of the deal".
What I clearly distate is the exuberation you have in the USA, if you are against something you arent just "the other side", they declare you as an extremist, as an enemy of the nation, and if you are so unfortunate that one of your parents is an immigrant they send the ICE and carry that parent away...

You need to understand what hybrids are, to know they will disappear quickly.
Hybrids didn't show up to solve a problem for the user. They came to solve a problem for the car companies. ICE car companies. Just to hold off REAL action and move to Electric, because all traditional car companies would financially collapse on the spot.
As Onvo chief said - The issue was NEVER the RANGE of the battery.
Also Ford CEO Jim Farley said that 90% of the people even in the US don't drive too far away from home for the most of the month. People DO NOT need range. It's all fake news.
The issue is ENERGY REPLENISHMENT. How EASY it is, how FAST it is, how COMFORTable and accessible it is.
And NIO solves exactly that with the massive swap network.
Battery risk on the company, not on the user.
Battery swap always close to you, wherever you are.
Always get battery checked, and updated to the latest tech and chemistry.
Always get a new battery in a single swap no matter how old is your car.
Getting a fresh and full battery in 1:38 minutes with Gen 5 stations, no charging time can compete with that.
And you stay in your car while all of this happens.
Yeah hybrids have market. And are marketed good. People buy them, because they are lied to.
They buy a solution they don't need. Yeah 1000 km sounds good. But you're still using fuel.
Ron Baron said: Future is all electric. No hybrids. No ICE cars.
Norway is already 98% electric, China will be 70-80% all electric in 2 years. Like 10-15 years ahead of government target.
And that's no because of being electric. People don't care how the motor works, or on what it runs.
It could be peanut butter.
The thing is EVs are just better, as smart cars, with the best tech, safety, features, materials, software, maintenance, reliability, performance. The value EV gets you can't be achieved with any other car.
And the value NIO gives you is unmatchable anywhere BECAUSE of swap.
Swap allows NIO to offer a premium car for $15-20K less on purchase.
That's why ES8 is a winner. And ES9, and soon the entire catalog when the new pricing system expands to ET7, ES6, ET5, ES8 5-seat..
The two best selling NIOs aren't even out yet, as the most desired car category in China is BIG SUV with 5 seats.
ES6 (new model, to be launched in 2027, said by management to be the all time best seller)
And the ES8 5-seater, launching in 5 days. Could go below $38,000 USD with BaaS.

Yeah ICE this one right here

Makes sense. They already have the facilities, compliance history, and contracts. That matters when the government suddenly needs beds fast. But I think this whole trade depends on contract timing, politics, and whether ICE keeps leaning on the existing operators or pushes more warehouse-style capacity elsewhere.

When your ADHD and head injury become so severe that you can't even get your ADHD medication and have wasted three plane tickets... Seriously, does Canada have ICE? Who can deport me? I'll pay you.

Try looking at their balance sheets and income statements… ford trailing twelve months net income: -$6 billion. $160 billion in debt. Massively declining EV sales, slowly dying ICE business in the face of rising gas prices.
Tesla trailing twelve months net income +$3.8 billion. $15 billion in debt. Growing EV sales, growing high-margin recurring FSD and energy revenue, with Robotaxi ramping.
You can make an argument that Tesla is overvalued on its car business alone (I believe the market cap is pricing in all AI growth and doesn’t care about car sales at all). But as a business, Tesla is a properly run, financially disciplined, and growing business with diversified avenues for further growth. They can hit none of their moonshot ideas (Optimus or Robotaxi) and they would still remain in business.
Ford (and all other legacy American car makers tbh) are excessively indebted, dying businesses who cannot make profitable EVs that nobody wants, as evidenced by their massively declining EV sales; their entire business is car sales and financing those sales, which is not exactly a promising future.

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Sure I get you, but you are missing my point: despite being historically pricier than equivalent lower quality build cars, they were still not comparable to premium models; you can't just look at the interior materials, the price, and go "yeah they're comparable", since one car has a traditional, well-understood engine made of thousands of metal pieces, while the other one is an experimental EV with an experimental charging network and experimental everything.
The price trend for Teslas has thus been going down, and BMWs has been going up, further contrasting their different target market segments.
In short, comparing a Tesla to a regular ICE based BMW (or similar), at any point in history, is just wrong. It's just not the right comparison to make.

It's important to remember that MSRP means absolutely nothing in the ICE car market in China - all ICE cars are being sold at horrific discounts of 30 to 50+%. And even with those discounts, they selling poorly compared to EVs. i guess the data shown above is taking into account the massive local discounts.
eg: base Merc C-class should be 304,600 RMB MSRP, but local dealerships data (which varies by city), show it's actually being sold by dealerships for just 194,600 RMB (US$28k): [https://car.yiche.com/benchicji-2364/](https://car.yiche.com/benchicji-2364/)
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