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I think you're mixing up three different things: profitability, consolidation and government support.
China absolutely has too many EV manufacturers, and I fully expect consolidation. Some companies will fail, some will merge and some brands will disappear. But that doesn't mean the Chinese automotive industry disappears with them. The important question isn't whether every Chinese EV startup survives. It's what happens to the companies that do survive.
That's also why “Xi is taking away the subsidies, so bankruptcies are coming” is too simplistic. China has been reducing and restructuring EV support rather than simply switching it off. The industry is being pushed toward a more mature phase where weaker manufacturers are increasingly exposed to competition.
And look at the companies we're actually talking about. BYD, Geely and SAIC aren't interchangeable with tiny EV startups.
SAIC is an especially interesting example because it already has a deep industrial relationship with GM. This matters a lot in Latin America.
For decades, Chevrolet's Brazilian and Latin American identity was heavily influenced by Opel engineering. We had generations of cars with European GM roots: Opala/Rekord, Chevette/Kadett, Corsa, Astra, Vectra, Omega, Meriva, Zafira and others.
That era gradually disappeared as GM reorganized its global operations during the 2010s. But what replaced it is fascinating: Chinese engineering and GM's Chinese joint ventures became increasingly relevant to GM's global and emerging-market product development.
The current-generation Chevrolet Onix, for example, was the first model based on GM's GEM architecture, developed through GM's global engineering structure with substantial participation from its Chinese operations and SAIC-GM/PATAC.
And now GM is looking even further toward its Chinese partnerships for South America, including cooperation with SAIC-GM-Wuling on future products.
Think about what that means for the original argument.
Americans tend to imagine this as a simple competition between “Detroit” and “Chinese automakers.” But the global automotive industry doesn't work that neatly anymore.
Chinese engineering can end up inside a Chevrolet. A Western manufacturer can use a Chinese-developed platform or product outside China. A Chinese company can supply technology to the same Western manufacturers that are politically protected from direct Chinese competition in the US.
So yes, many Chinese EV brands probably won't survive the consolidation. That's almost beside the point.
If ten weak manufacturers disappear but BYD, Geely, SAIC and several other survivors emerge larger, technologically stronger and more internationally experienced, Detroit still has to compete against the resulting industry everywhere outside the protected US market.
Latin America is already showing how complicated this becomes. Chevrolet spent decades adapting European Opel engineering to this region. Now Chinese partnerships can play part of the role that European engineering once played in its product strategy.
That's the irony: Americans may eventually encounter Chinese automotive engineering without ever buying a Chinese-branded car.
Which brings me back to the question in my original post. Excluding Chinese-branded vehicles from the US doesn't stop Chinese manufacturers from developing technology, gaining scale or competing with American manufacturers elsewhere.
The investment question isn't whether every Chinese EV startup survives.
It's whether the Chinese companies that survive this brutal consolidation become stronger global competitors — and whether insulating Detroit from that same competitive pressure at home leaves it better or worse prepared to face them abroad.

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