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Not sure where I'm crying and blaming. If you cannot support this debate with facts then punch out.
lil bro....let's dig in on the auto bailout. GM for instance. $50 billion of taxpayer money was spent to prop up a dying company, we lost 11.2 billion that was not repaid. Who won? Does GM produce better or cheaper cars? No? Who won? UAW chiefs, lobbyists, and large, rich shareholders who would have been hurt if the shares went to zero.
Ford took no gov money.
"Yes, but saved jobs!". No. Demand for cars does not change depending on players on the board; purchases and jobs would have flowed to other manufacturers in sghort time
Still waiting to hear where in the US Constitution bailouts are enshrined.
No bailouts....ever.

They are in every truck and suv that the op's article is about??? Which are delayed...and they did sell quite a bit of celistiqs, sierra EVs, Silverado EVs, caddiliq iq, and hummer EVs not sure of the numbers but my guess is more than 10k for all those...
which I believe are on the same platform..sierra EVs alone I think hit 8000?
The lower end EVs GM is selling are NOT delayed...
I got my brand new "halo" EV for about 60k out the door..
GM still thought it was in the covid times and could sell them for 80k for the base 😂....
Are there even any 800v EVs from any manufacturer that can hit over 450 mile range for under 40k? 

EVs dropped in sales after the cancellation of the federal rebate but they are still selling in huge numbers in the coastal states. They are mostly Teslas right now because we are in a lull waiting for next level EVs to release in the USA. I’m aware of the 800v system in the $100k halo GM cars but they are simply not part of the market as they don’t even sell 10,000 per year. The cars that count are those that compete with traditional gas cars and in the USA the average car is $50,000. That’s the playing field, plus or minus, where the successful EVs need to be to grow the EV market. The USA is vastly behind every other large car market but we also got hit with a terrible anti-EV administration that will be gone soon.

For responding to a gm post, you know very little about GMs offerings...
Tesla is actually behind GMs 800v ultium platform that launched with their hummer EV, 
max charge rate for gm is 350+ kw...I've seen 367 kw on mine...and able to maintain it much much longer than even tesla.
Silverado EV EPA hitting 450miles is definitely not behind teslas cybertruck..and that came out in 2024....I think the revised numbers are even higher. 484miles now? Maybe? I forget
And if you are referring to heat pumps for HVAC...yes GM does use heat pumps, not sure about ford...
GM also uses gigacasting for the optiq I believe? Could be wrong it was one of the new Cadillacs that use it.
And all these things that you think bmw is doing...gm has already been doing since the launch of the hummer ev...
But yea software they are very far behind tesla...but much farther than ford..because Ford dropped their competing FNV4 platform last year...
Again it doesn't matter if china subsidizes their auto companies..if they pull out ahead its a win...
And on the same line Tesla wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for the help from the us government...but it doesn't really matter in the end when nobody is buying EVs in USA anyways... compared to non pure bev

China is still subsidizing the Chinese cars massively. Far more than the USA ever subsidized any American car companies. It’s working, as they are selling cars all over the world for less than it costs to build them, but that should eventually crash their economy. Nobody has exact figures for any of this so who knows when this will happen.
Yes GM designed their EVs mostly from the ground up. Not as much as Tesla did though. They have far worse range, charge slower usually, have crappy software, poor performance compared to a Tesla, and a long hood full of poorly designed HVAC equipment mostly, that leaves zero room for a frunk. That’s not a path for success. Ford, while they not be as fully vertically stacked as Tesla and Rivian, is still starting over now, in 2026. They will have the advantage of benchmarking the best cars today and meeting them with state of the art features that the newest EVs are coming with- things like gigacasting large single piece parts for their chassis, better battery tech, (maybe 800v architecture?) more efficient factories (with barely any human staff unfortunately for us humans), bi-directional charging to power homes during a blackout, and their cars will be designed with more care and attention assuring they will be much lighter for better performance and range while reducing parts for lower cost. GM has none of those advantages as they are not building completely new factories and spending billions like Ford. I still see Ford leapfrogging GM although it will take a long time to pay off that investment.
BMW has a great new EV platform that is state of the art and utilizes all these things already. They reportedly spent $12 billion and 7 years to create this Neue Klasse EV platform. That’s a lot more than Ford is going to spend. This is the way to compete with China. (Maybe not inside of China but in the rear of the world)

oh no, that's where you're wrong. This Iran war benefits a select few. I'm sure you can figure out who.
I would monitor Ford and GM stock because Trump wants to give them money to convert their manufacturing to build weapons.... since everyone is getting so poor they can't even afford new vehicles anymore.

They aren't all stocks... HPQ. VLO. CHWY. MSFT. NVO. GBTC. BAC. GM. DASH. ET. KRP. NLR. SUN. VZ. CMCSA.

Well at least it's not as expensive as GM

One of my biggest reasons for going with Ford for a few cars. Like, fuck GM and their bail outs and trying to end the unions. If they had their way they would go back to when they could hire children for their small hands and company store the adults.

Was it a bailout or a government backed loan are different. Hate GM all you want but this was a banking crisis and not an automaker caused crisis. The banks didn't have the liquidity to help automakers with the crisis caused by lack of banking regulations, so the government stepped in. This wasn't a crisis caused by automakers, it was a banking crisis. The banks should have failed

I dont think that changes it. The goal of the bailout wasnt to make interest it was to keep GM alive. GM should have died from its failures.

The F150 was canceled and now so is the Silverado EV. Both have massive batteries (The GM ones are way more massive) and both were decent first tries but they didn’t make a profit. The only American car company to ever make a profit selling EV‘s has been Tesla, because of their vertical integration and they’re very efficient assembly factories building very efficient electric cars. Yes right now GM makes many first generation EV cars, but they don’t make a profit, and they’re very inefficient. Ford took a crazy bold move and just shut down everything. (Except the Mach E but I expect that to be replaced asap as well) and now Ford is betting the house and building all new plants and hiring and training all new staff. They have adopted a new way to assemble cars taken right out of Tesla’s plans when they were once going to build a $25,000 car. It’s not an assembly line. It’s more like a tree. Anyway you can research it there are videos ford put out about it. These cars will be next generation EVs designed to leap frog Tesla cars and not trail them like current GM electric cars. BMW just did the same thing with their Neue Klasse EV cars. This is the way to compete or at least catch up to Chinese cars which are outselling every other car brand.

The automotive bailouts were actually more like loans. America made money on the interests that GM and other groups when they paid back the loans. It wasn't just a cash handout so that specific bailout shouldn't bother you as much as the short sighted company culture and cost cutting at all costs should

Not to mention that we the taxpayers lost millions bailing out GM and that they have not paid us back yet.

Bailing out American auto was a big mistake. GM should have died and been replaced by car companies that make cars that actually run.

Nobody read the article. They said they don't plan to cancel any EVs at all, just some insider claims they won't refresh them in 2028 which GM denies. The article lacks any details TBH.

Botched experiment? People liked the truck and wanted to buy more of it - GM paid to have them squished instead of selling them for money. It’s not like it failed due to lack of enthusiasm from the customer

For GM only if you have super cruise

The thing that always got me about GM is their name is wrong. They don't make motors, the make engines.
Small distinction but one a group of engineers making cars should have noticed

Meanwhile Ford puts all their eggs in one basket and spends billions to revamp their plants to churn out efficient, cheaper EVs including a small EV pickup truck. Two distinct ways to approach the future…. I’ve never been a fan of either, but Ford seems to be on the right track to crush GM sales in the next decade…