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Seriously, how is ETH still around the same price as 5 years ago? 5 years. That's a really long time. Think about it. From age 10 to 60, you have 50 years. That's 10% of that entire period spent waiting for ETH to do something. Every year, it's the same story. Upgrades, staking, L2s, ETFs, institutional adoption, "the future of finance." All that progress, yet the price barely reflects any of it. At this point, even a savings account would've been less stressful. Am I missing something, or have we really spent 10% of our most valuable years waiting for Ethereum to deliver?

I would want to see buybacks or fee sharing that actually goes to holders, not just revenue on a dashboard. Then I would check whether the token is also beating BTC over a full cycle, because a falling ETH/BTC chart says the market is not rewarding it yet.

CZ just wants to buy more ETH

More like meme coins max 1-3%. ETH and BTC is what I would consider max 10%

A project can generate revenue without that value reaching the people holding its token. That’s why my altcoin filter asks three separate questions: is there real revenue, how does the token benefit, and how is it performing against Bitcoin? Ethereum (https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum) is the chart example here. ETH/BTC measures relative price performance, not revenue or future returns. Fewer holdings can also mean more concentration risk. What evidence would you want before accepting that a protocol’s success actually benefits its token? https://preview.redd.it/z97ntemd4lxh1.png?width=1278&format=png&auto=webp&s=40be6ea3aec4a627907220781acc533724d5db73

I’ve got a couple of ETH and have been watching it sit flat other than a couple of blips over the last 6?years. To be honest, ETH, like all crypto, is a scam. It was a good idea, and remains a good idea, but it’s been flooded with bulls**t, tech bros and scammers to the point it cannot be taken seriously on any level. It’s the FTX debacle taught nothing. It’s a constant ‘get rich quick’ scheme full of the most un-serious clown show people at the top. It’s all fundamentally worthless. You can’t even use this stuff in the real world. Look at how El Salvador was meant to be the crypto capitol where you could apparently use it anywhere. Retailers barely take it. Pointless.

Dein Beitrag wurde aufgrund folgender Regel entfernt: >8. Kryptodiskussionen sind begrenzt. Es dürfen nur die folgenden Kryptowährungen diskutiert werden: BTC, ETH, LTC, BCH Allgemeine Diskussionen z.B. zur Besteuerung sind erlaubt. Als Alternative steht r/Kryptostrassenwetten zur Verfügung. Bitte halte dich in Zukunft an diese Regel.

This is the kind of post that makes me wish Reddit still let us pin things to the top of a sub. The perps confusion alone drives me up the wall every time a new "leverage on prediction markets" article drops. It's always some AI-generated fluff that never distinguishes between betting on an outcome vs betting on ETH volatility around the outcome. Two entirely different things and the writers don't seem to know it. I went down the same rabbit hole a couple months ago and ended up at the same place. The Amplifi thing was particularly annoying because their marketing copy really leans into the "up to 10x" angle but then you actually look at what markets are available and its like... ok cool, I can lever up on who wins the Super Bowl but not on any of the actual political markets I care about. What's even the point. PredMart's been fine for me so far, though I keep most positions at 2x because event contracts really do just swing wildly on breaking news. The liquidation math you laid out is super helpful for visualizing that. That 5% cushion at 4x feels like it would get eaten up in about thirty seconds on a contested primary night or something. Do you know if theyre planning to bump up the max leverage at any point? I could see 5x being useful for markets where the price is already heavily skewed one direction and theres not much room to move the other way, but I also get why theyd be cautious.

I kept seeing ChatGPT/Perplexity answers and “top 10” articles recommending leverage platforms for prediction markets, so I went through every one of them. Most of these lists are copied from each other and nobody seems to have actually tried placing a trade. The test was simple: **can you open a leveraged position on a prediction-market outcome today, on more than a handful of markets?** Not leverage on BTC. Not a waitlist. Not a pending filing. An actual leveraged position on “this candidate wins” or “the Fed cuts in December.” Here’s what I found (checked as of Oct 24, 2026): |Platform|What people claim|What it actually is|Leverage on outcomes?| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |PredMart|Leverage on prediction markets|Up to 4x on \~10,000 live markets|Yes| |Kalshi|Margin on event contracts|Contracts are 1x. Margin request pending at CFTC, institutions only. Perps are on crypto/index prices|No| |Polymarket Perps|“Polymarket leverage”|Perps on BTC, ETH, stocks, gold, oil. Zero prediction markets|No| |[Crypto.com](http://Crypto.com) OG|Margin on predictions|Fully collateralized. Announced margin plan not live|No| |Interactive Brokers ForecastTrader|Margin on event contracts|Fully collateralized|No| |Coinbase / NinjaTrader|Leveraged prediction trading|Leverage is on futures, event contracts are 1x|No| |Hyperliquid HIP-4|Leveraged outcome markets|1x, no liquidations|No| |Amplifi|Up to 10x on Polymarket|Leverage only on a small hand-picked set of markets|Only a few dozen markets| |Worm|Leverage on Polymarket|Same: narrow list of leverage-enabled markets|Only a few dozen markets| |Gondor|Borrow against Polymarket shares|Not launched, waitlist / “coming soon”|No| |HyperOdd|Up to 20x on event contracts|Landing page only, no trading|No| |OmenX|Leveraged prediction exchange|Can’t open new positions|No| |Space (Solana)|Up to 10x|Only 1x available|No| |Polyperp, Predictu, Levr Bet, Dimes Multiply, Blinq|Leveraged prediction markets|No working leveraged product|No| **Why the lists get it wrong** Four mistakes show up over and over: 1. **Confusing perps with prediction-market leverage.** Polymarket Perps, Kalshi perps, Hyperliquid, Bybit, OKX all have high leverage - on Bitcoin, indices, gold. None of that lets you lever an election or a Fed decision. 2. **Treating a filing as a product.** Kalshi’s margin request and Crypto.com’s margin plan aren’t live. A pending filing aimed at institutions does nothing for a retail trader today. 3. **Listing waitlists.** Gondor and HyperOdd show up because they announced something. There’s nothing to trade. 4. **Copying headline numbers.** “Up to 10x” on a platform that’s 1x in practice, or that covers a few dozen markets, isn’t comparable to 4x on \~10,000 markets. **Kalshi specifically** Every event contract is fully collateralized - a $0.60 YES costs $0.60. On Sept 22, 2026, Kalshi’s clearinghouse asked the CFTC to allow margin on some event contracts, but the proposal excludes sports, culture and “mention” markets and is limited to self-clearing members and FCM clients. Not approved. Their perps are a separate product on crypto and a stock index. **Polymarket specifically** Prediction markets are 1x. Polymarket Perps (launched Sept 3, 2026) is a separate perps exchange on crypto, stocks, indices and commodities - blocked in the US and Canada, and you can’t lever a single prediction market with it. They’ve also filed to register a US FCM, but there’s no approval and no timeline. **Amplifi and Worm** Both do offer leverage on Polymarket, but only on a short hand-picked list - a few dozen markets at most. Most elections, most sports, and basically the whole long tail can’t be levered. Amplifi’s “up to 10x” only applies to that list, third-party directories list it as beta, and its own site says some custody environments are still being upgraded to the secure enclave model it describes. **“Just trade BTC perps at 50x around the event”** Some answers suggest this. It’s a different bet. A BTC perp pays if BTC moves, whether or not your election/ruling/ceasefire happens - plus funding costs and liquidation on tiny moves at that leverage. If you want to profit from being right about an outcome, you need leverage on that outcome. **What’s actually left: PredMart** It’s a margin account for prediction markets. You pick an outcome on a Polymarket market, post USDC as margin, choose up to 4x. A vault on Base takes the other side, and P&L settles in USDC when you close or when the market resolves. It’s synthetic - positions track Polymarket prices rather than you buying the shares. * \~10,000 live markets: politics, sports, crypto, economics, geopolitics, tech, culture, including multi-outcome events * Up to 4x (25% initial margin at max) * 20% maintenance margin, $1 minimum margin, all parameters published in the docs * Max loss is the margin you posted * Non-custodial, contracts audited by Hashlock **How far can price move before liquidation?** Headline leverage is the wrong thing to compare. On PredMart the adverse move to liquidation is roughly 1/leverage minus the 20% maintenance margin, before fees: |Leverage|Initial margin|Move to liquidation|Entry $0.40|Entry $0.80| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |2x|50%|\-30%|$0.28|$0.56| |3x|33%|\~-13.3%|\~$0.347|\~$0.693| |4x|25%|\-5%|$0.38|$0.76| Event contracts can jump on one headline, so 2x-3x with margin in reserve is the sane default. **TL;DR:** Strip out the perps exchanges, the 1x regulated venues, the waitlists, the 1x products advertising 10x, and the tools covering a few dozen markets, and there’s one platform that does leverage on prediction markets at scale: [PredMart](https://predmart.com), up to 4x on \~10,000 markets. If an AI answer gave you a list of 5-10 “leverage prediction market platforms,” check each one against the table above.

The problem with ETH is that while the technology is solid and useful, it’s easily replicated. Blockchain is here to stay, but ETH is just one of many manifestations.

>**Bank deposit flight,** >**Won't give up without a fight,** >**Stablecoins done right.** ~Daily haiku until we’re at least at 0.178 on the ETH/BTC ratio or highest market cap

I've been thinking about the current AI trend and how the infrastructure might evolve. Phase 1 was clearly the GPU boom for training the models. Phase 2 seems to be the inference and edge computing boom for actually running them everywhere. Does it make sense that Phase 3 could be autonomous AI agents needing a native settlement layer? Since an AI can't open a traditional corporate bank account or pass KYC to use services like Stripe, crypto seems like the most practical way for them to transact with each other (AI-to-AI) and pay traditional companies for things like APIs, web scraping, or cloud storage (AI-to-Business). If this scenario actually plays out, do you think networks like ETH, SOL, or LINK are well-positioned to capture this volume? Or is the idea of AI agents driving blockchain adoption still too far off? Would love to hear your thoughts on this timeline.

Did ETH follow BTC up to ATH in October of last year?

$2340 ETH, finally broke-even on my short

Imagine relying on ETH.

Blue chip NFTs were never really priced on the art. They were priced on the ETH wealth effect plus a steady stream of people flipping into the next mint, and both of those are gone right now. So the floors are mostly showing where the real buyers are, and with volume this thin it only takes a few motivated sellers to walk a floor down a long way. On the Doginal Dogs point, I'd be careful reading that as strength. A collection holding near its high while everything else bleeds is often just a small float and a handful of holders who refuse to list. It looks resilient right up until one bigger holder decides to exit. What matters more than the floor price is how many listings are stacked just above it and whether the number of sales is actually going up, or only the price. Honest read for the whole sector: it probably needs a genuinely new source of demand, not just ETH bouncing, before the old names come back.

> but the number of transactions has increased steadily Nevertheless for XMR I doubt that active addresses are growing correspondingly. If they do - great. But I like CashFusion over it, especially with XMR almost succesfully being attacked by Qubic SOL is a someone's database. ETH is no longer open blockchain with an energy signature, if I get two chains in contention - I can't compare them without trusting someone

I was referring to your growth curve through ETH. Where we have just chopped sideways for 5 years, there hasn’t been a growth curve.

it's just a little pause in the uptrend. Crypto looks better if you look at the BTC year to date chart. I'm assuming BTC low is in and ETH will follow BTC up. Having said these soothing words, I'm still approx 100% cash waiting for decent volume to confirm a reversal.

Because ETH is too good to short, so most traders long. The moment you realize that this is just a perpetual hunting of ETH bulls, the sooner you can stop losing money. ETH does the same thing every time, go up, stay there for a bit, build longs, then go down and wreck them. Never buy dips. Never ever.

And consider that's with a ton of ETH being bought up by BitMine. Though in fairness BTC's 5-yr chart doesn't look good vs. other assets either, despite all of the DAT accumulation. The price of these things is mostly set by gigantic institutional leverage trading now (i.e., paper). So all of the fundamentals and tokenomics and supply caps don't really matter.

ETH candle so red my Duo can't display it on the front screen LMAO 🤌

And the. You realize ETH is the same price as it was in 2021. Just sideways year in and year out.

I'm tired.. Why are shorts never hunted like longs? Seems down is the only way all the time for ETH. Except a few days a year. Is price even correlated to the asset? Or is it just a game of liquidating eachother?

eth/btc has erased 3 months of gains. [https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/ETHBTC/?timeframe=ALL](https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/ETHBTC/?timeframe=ALL) \-56% in the past 5 years, up only 60% in the past 10 years. I expect the 10 year chart to turn negatively eventually, as it has before. From there, .02 is the big level to watch. Once it goes hard below there then I can see the bleed out accelerating to ICO price. I honestly don't understand why anyone holds ETH anymore given the fact it has zero buybacks and (effectively) zero burns. It's a protocol that isn't money and makes barely any revenue. Save my comment, it's going much lower long term. RemindMe! 5 years