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I tested a Bitcoin trading bot that skips trades when ETH moves the other way. All 100 versions were profitable in simulation.

I’d go ledger - or easier metamask - don’t share your seed and you’re fine, I’ve traded M’s using metamask and as long as you aren’t an idiot you’re be fine. **THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BTC OR ETH SUPPORT**

I think the key here is separating your long-term conviction in ETH from your short-term borrowing risk. A bull market doesn’t necessarily make borrowing safer; it can actually encourage people to take on more leverage than they realize. One thing worth considering is that liquidation risk isn’t just about whether ETH will recover eventually, but whether you can survive a sharp drawdown before that happens. I’d prioritize maintaining a conservative LTV, keeping enough liquidity to repay or add collateral during volatility, and avoiding borrowing right up to the protocol’s limits. Also, borrowing ETH against ETH and selling it creates a different risk profile: you’re effectively short ETH, so the debt becomes more expensive in dollar terms if ETH appreciates. Personally, I’d rather borrow less and preserve flexibility than maximize borrowing capacity. Staying solvent through a bear market matters more than maximizing leverage during a bull market.

Yup, I trade IBIT sometimes, and if I had to own something, it's probably in a wrapper (I don't think I bought more than 10 things with BTC over the last 10 years). If Coinbase honeypot falls and they steal all those coins, then BTC is cooked anyway. But I feel like there are much higher odds of Blackrock's making people whole in that case than any crypto native exchange because Fink was personally pushing for BTC ETF, and it would be massive blow to their reputation. Besides BTC, XMR and HYPE (real business and original crypto use case aka gamba), everything else is massively overpriced, something like ETH should be way below 500 bucks if not for Tom Lee and spending all those billions to prop up that premine (and I had 1000 ETH at the end of 2021 run, because it offered more upside than BTC during that cycle). But the biggest thing is lack of volatility. Look at gold's and Google's vol - BVIV was flipped briefly by GVZ in January, and it's slightly above VXGOG. If that's the case, why would I "pay" for downside risk of crypto, if I can just buy Google? Like I said, no proof than BTC can go up - if you look at stats for expected moves of free BTC vs post IBIT options BTC, we lost like 80% of upside vol generation. Every move up is being cucked by options sellers, and I don't blame them: if you converted your spot to ETF, and you sell covered calls, you can generate 20-40% per year on average. So since IBIT options launched, OGs doubled their stacks while doing basically nothing. And they were already billionaires, they don't need price appreciation anymore.

Low liquidation risk and borrowing as much as possible pull in opposite directions, so you have to pick a point on that line. On Aave, staying around 20-25% LTV means ETH has to drop roughly 65-70% before you get liquidated. That sounds extreme, but ETH has done it more than once after a cycle top, so I wouldn’t lean on “it can’t go much lower” right at the top. Borrowing ETH against ETH and selling it gets you back to being out of ETH. You’re short exactly what you sold, so economically it’s the same as selling, plus interest. Alchemix is legit and has been around since 2021. You borrow against no price liquidations, and your yield slowly repays the debt. It isn’t more popular because the LTV is low, repayment can take years, and you get alUSD or alETH, which can trade below peg when you swap out. If you stay on Aave, DeFi Saver can auto-repay when your health factor drops, so you’re not relying on checking it at 3am.

Following the #1 copy trader for 6 months turned $10k into $237. Holding BTC and ETH: $10,316. I tracked all 9,470 copy trading vaults on Hyperliquid.

Following the #1 copy trader for 6 months turned $10k into $237. Holding BTC and ETH: $10,316. I tracked all 9,470 copy trading vaults on Hyperliquid.

Not by much, because the execution part is already a sliver. On 2 Nov the beacon chain paid validators about 2,995 ETH and tips plus MEV about 91 ETH, so of a 2.55% APR only about 0.07 points came from blocks. The last raise, 45M to 60M last November, did roughly halve that part for a month, from 0.24 to 0.11 points, taking total APR from 2.96% to 2.82%, and two to three months later it was back at 0.32. Most execution income now comes in bursts anyway: the night of the Binance hack paid proposers about 11,700 ETH in 11 hours, roughly 100 normal days' worth.

How did you come up with "next 10x" number? 1M per coin is a nonsense peddled by KOLs and other influencers, fishing for their exit liquidity with their cost basis above 2017 ATH. Same with 10k/20k ETH. Those are the same people. BTC has been the worst performing asset in the world on an absolute and risk-adjusted basis since November 19, 2024, when IBIT options killed its ability to generate upside volatility. And without it, it's just a shitty stock with infinite downside risk and index-like returns if you're lucky. Keep in mind, all of that happened with the biggest bull market in history as a backdrop. Even Saylor, BTC messiah, started using 10% AAR instead of his bullshit 70% CAGR (which was never true btw). Data > feelings.

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I'd pick how value flows back to ETH, since fees and speed are already largely handled by the L2s, and the open question is whether that activity helps the base layer's token. The evidence I'd want is simple: base layer fee revenue and ETH demand growing as L2 use grows, not shifting away. Easier L2 use matters too, but it doesn't fix that question. Comparing chains by what they earn against what the market expects is a useful lens, and Cymetica's Gem Screener ranks chains and tokens by revenue against upside.

Start from the drawdown you want to survive. From the 2021 top BTC fell about 77% and ETH about 80%. On Aave the liquidation threshold for BTC is around 78%, so borrowing at 30% LTV gets you liquidated after a drop of roughly 62%, and at 20% LTV after about 74%. Most of the people who got wiped out in 2022 were at 50% or higher. The rate is variable, so the debt keeps growing while you hold, and in a hot market stablecoin borrow rates go up because everyone wants to borrow at once. If you spend the loan, keep a separate pile of stablecoins to pay part of it down when the price falls. Adding more BTC as collateral at that point means buying it with money you may not have.

Don't take too much out and therefore reduce your risk of getting liquidated. Keep LTV low between 20-30% and have some extra cash to deposit. Alchemix is a solid option however it has a maximum LTV cap at 50% and there is Smart Contract risk, hence its not as popular. Assuming ETH can't drop much further will lead to getting liquidated. Size your loan as if you are wrong.

When you want your ETH back, you still have to buy back some ETH to repay that someone else ETH right? Sit down and think about it a bit more

Hello. I completely understand your point of view regarding the risks, but I think it is worth clarifying how the system is empirically constructed to address your observations: On diversification and correlation: It is not a single altcoin or an isolated asset; it is operated as a multi-asset portfolio composed of major cryptocurrency tokens (BTC, ETH, SOL, RUNE, NEAR, UNI, and DOGE), maintaining strict limits on simultaneous exposure (a maximum of 4 open positions and a capped global risk limit). The system treats cryptocurrencies as correlated blocks of trend. On the 8 years of backtesting: In the crypto ecosystem, the 2018–2026 period covers multiple complete market cycles: the severe bear market of 2018, the 2020-2021 bull run, the 2022 crypto winter, and the subsequent recovery. For a trend-following system based on mechanical rules, this historical data includes both upward trends and practically flat or bearish years (such as 2018, 2022, and 2025). On the bullish bias: The system does not assume that "the market always goes up." In fact, it includes specific rules to trade both upwards and downwards, and year-by-year analysis shows that profits are not concentrated linearly, but rather rely on asymmetric risk management (letting major trends run while limiting losing streaks). On the difference between paper trading and live execution: You are completely right that theoretical equity differs from actual execution. For that exact reason, the project is not launched blindly: the system includes a strict testing phase in a demo environment connected to the broker's API to validate technical execution, fees, and slippage before committing real capital incrementally. Thanks for the debate and for bringing perspective!

XMR ahead of DOGE in marketcap, what a time to be alive :D Top 3 around when ETH hits 1000 and BTC 38k :)

Research note: multi-layer trend following on BTC/ETH, backtest 2018–2026 (82 hypotheses tested, results and limits)

gotta keep some dry powder to repay the loan - invest in other stuff which is safer than or uncorrelated with ETH, so that when ETH crashes you have something else to sell to repay your loan.

Europe has decent options, ETH Zurich's MSc in Quantitative Finance is strong, and TU Munich got a mathematical finance program that places well. Netherlands also worth a look, Amsterdam and Rotterdam both run respected quant finance tracks.

you're selling someone else's ETH and paying a borrow fee in the process. This makes no sense at all. Sell your own eth if you want to sell eth for cash. If you don't want to sell eth for cash, then borrow some asset you think will go down and sell that for cash instead. Borrowing an asset, selling it for cash, and possibly rebuying it later (hopefully for cheaper) is called shorting. That's how you short something. If you're depositing eth, and then shorting eth, it's the same as selling your own eth, except you're paying a high borrow fee when you don't need to.

For actual spending yeah, nobody wants to pay for coffee in something that can swing 8% while the tx confirms. ETH earns its keep as the collateral and gas asset underneath, USDC on Base already does the payment job people keep asking ETH to do

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Short version: with a USDC loan against ETH you can't remove liquidation risk, you can only push it far enough away that it would take a crash you've already planned for 🙂 How I'd think about it: - Size from the crash, not the current price. Pick the ETH price you'd want to survive (a lot lower than "can't go much lower", since every cycle has had someone saying that), then work backwards to the max you borrow. On Aave the health factor gives you that liquidation price directly, so treat it as the number that matters. - Keep a repayment buffer outside the loan. Some stables or spare ETH sitting ready lets you top up collateral or pay down debt during a fast move instead of watching a liquidation bot do it for you. - Set alerts well above the liquidation level, and remember gas spikes and congested blocks during crashes are exactly when topping up gets harder. - Borrowing ETH against ETH and selling it is basically a short on ETH funded by your own stack. If ETH rips, your debt grows in dollar terms, which is the opposite of what a long-term holder wants. On Alchemix: the self-repaying model is real and has been around for years. The trade-off is why it isn't bigger. You only get to borrow a fraction of what you deposit, the loan pays itself down only as fast as the underlying yield (slow when yields are low), and the debt is a synthetic token like alETH or alUSD, so you carry depeg and smart contract risk on top. The upside is that your debt is in the same asset as your collateral, so a price drop alone doesn't liquidate you the way an ETH/USDC position can. So for "hold forever and still access cash", I'd lean toward a smaller stablecoin borrow with a big buffer over max borrowing anywhere. Less cash up front, but you keep the stack through the next drawdown 👀

Sorry this happened. The unlimited USDC approval from Oct 22 is the first thing to look at. An approval lets the approved contract move that token with transferFrom at any time, with no new signature or biometric prompt, because the permission already sits on chain. The part that does not fit a pure allowance drain is the SOL and ETH gas leaving at the same time: when someone else calls transferFrom they pay the gas, so gas taken from your wallet suggests a transaction was sent from your own address. That makes it worth treating the seed or device as exposed. Steps that help now: open the drain TxID on a block explorer and check which address actually sent the call. Check the token approvals for your address and revoke every unlimited allowance, USDC first. Move anything left to a fresh wallet with a new seed created on a clean device. Keep the TxID, timestamps and the state log together for the support ticket, and file a report with your local cybercrime unit, since funds that land on an exchange can sometimes be frozen. Going forward, approve the exact amount you plan to spend instead of unlimited.