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Ummm... Hi.
Do you think ETH, BMNR, or one of the other Ethereum-related stocks would outperform ETH itself in the next bull run?
If you had to pick one for maximum upside, which would you choose?

I'm not moving any goalposts. I admitted the tx is not confirmed right away. But for peace of mind it showing up immediately is good enough. An altcoin is not needed for that. Any functionality an altcoin boasts can be built on top of Bitcoin in any case. Even ETH has gone down this road despite its followers being sniffy about L2 on Bitcoin early one.
Even if I were to agree that Lightning is not as centralized as Bitcoin - neither are altcoins or ANYTHING else. For small payments it doesn't matter too much anyway.
>Gold doesn’t need to be physically moved every time ownership changes.
It does if you don't want to entrust it to a third party or accept IOUs. Of course it isn't just gold. Any physical asset that has to be moved.
>The relevant question is whether Bitcoin’s enormous energy expenditure provides enough utility to justify it
To secure trillions of dollars yes.
>Finally, recovering from crashes doesn't make Bitcoin an inflation hedge. That’s confusing long-term speculative returns with hedging. An asset losing 40–50% while consumer prices continue rising is doing a pretty poor job of protecting purchasing power during that period.
You're not keeping in my mind that Bitcoin is also a way of storing value, not just a store of value. "Long-term speculative returns" is just a dirty way of saying that you are saving.

Just go to [https://switcher.finance/](https://switcher.finance/) and select SOL > ETH, it's fully decentralized and you get 1:1

Hi there! I can speak from experience as I'm part of the DeFI Saver team. Our app aggregates various lending protocols (incluidng Aave), and offers some extra tools on top (1-tx leveraging, automations that keep you safe from liquidation, etc...)
Our users are primarily those interested in leveraging through Aave - so supplying, borrowing, swapping, re-supplying, etc...
This can be either for opening leveraged long/short positions on an asset (typically ETH) or to capitalize on yield farming opportunities. One of those that is currently popular on our app is the weETH/ETH loop on Aave V4. Aave's offering bonus incentives for the borrow rate on ETH (Merkl WETH rewards), so it makes the weETH loop earn \~15% yield at max leverage.
Some on the other hand, use us to perform highly leveraged stablecoin loops when the opportunity shows up - currently seeing quite a few people with USDC/USDG positions on Aave V4 through us.

you are not wrong, but looking at yield relative to dilution still makes sense
If you get a 3x on your ETH stack, but inflation went 2x, you would have gotten a 6x if not for the inflation.
Self-diluting and selling the dilution vs just selling a small bit of your stack with no dilution ends up the same, no matter the market. Your slice of the mcap is the same. You would owe tax on the self-dilution though 🙃
The urgency is debatable, even the fastest timeline puts this activating two years out or so with the 18 month transition

Greg Abel is gonna buy $100 billion in BTC + ETH the day after Buffett passes

> claiming to be making gainz
Not claiming anything. When price does 2 x or 3 x and I sell, I'd rather have more ETH than less. And whether I pay tax on income or not, either way I'll have more ETH under the current situation. Or put another way, I can sell income now to pay for things, rather than burning through my stack (if I stop staking). Again, I have more stack to sell when 3 x comes along. Not saying the current situation should be permanent by any means, but I fail to see the urgency.

This is wrong and you should be able to reason why it's wrong.
Take the case where 100% of ETH is staked, receiving 1.5% yield. Who are the holders that are transferring value to the stakers? There are no liquid ETH holders, all of it is staked. All the yield is self-dilution.
The actual answer is that for any stake ratio, both stakers and holders are getting diluted but only stakers receive the newly minted coins. Therefore, at very low stake the transfer of value is basically as you describe, from holders to stakers. But progressively this degrades, at 50% staked half of the stake comes from holders, half from self-dilution. And at 100% staked all of it is self-dilution.

At any stake ratio below 100%, liquid ETH holders transfer value to stakers via dilution. At 100%, there's no one left to dilute, and the Network "stalls" in activity. Ethereum has become Bitcoin by a different route.
The lower the liquid float, the worse this gets... *if* rewards stay pegged to %staked instead of actual demand for the network.
Tapered issuance doesn't fix that because it's still reflexive. Even worse, its reflexive to a different variable, and it adds complexity for no real gain. Plenty of equally feasible alternatives. Namely:
**Activity-adjusted issuance.** When usage is low, the protocol's ability to mint new rewards drops with it. Not %staked-based. Demand-based, which is waaaaay more incentive aligned.
And to be clear, theres a difference from MEV/fees funding validators instead: this isn't volatile, and it isn't concentrated in whoever's best at extraction. If anything its a distribution/anti-concetration mechanism
You should really consider this. Under this regime validators get transfered more value only when Ethereum succees as a network.

>**Blockchain remedy,**
>**Knowing your identity,**
>**Crypto pedigree.**
~Daily haiku until we’re at least at 0.178 on the ETH/BTC ratio or highest market cap

I wouldn't assume crypto is automatically better for scalping than stocks just because some reviews recommend it. Both can work, but spreads, fees, liquidity, and execution quality matter a lot when you're taking very small profits.

With $500 and only two trades a day, I'd probably paper trade both BTC/ETH and a few liquid stocks first and compare the actual results after costs. I'd also recommend using a backtesting tool designed for scalping or short-term strategies before putting real money in. With scalping, small differences in fees, spread and execution can completely change whether a strategy actually works.
Good Luck.

I wouldn’t pick BTC/ETH just because reviews say they’re better for scalping. Pick the market whose behavior, costs and trading hours you actually understand.
With $500, I’d keep size extremely small and focus on proving one setup first. Two trades a day is fine, but I’d make the rule “maximum two,” not “I need to take two.” Fees and spread matter a lot when you’re only trying to make a few dollars.
Personally I’d spend some time in sim first and track 50–100 trades before worrying about increasing size. The goal early on should be learning whether you actually have positive expectancy, not hitting a daily dollar target.

Generally yes, but it’s not absolute. Most early Bitcoiners I know from the Bitcointalk days also own ETH and use DeFi. And ultimately Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency and it’s ok to use that term. Anyway- I think we’re in agreement, OP needs to quit trading/gambling 👍 Peace :)

I sold a year ago. I still believe in ETH but I don't believe in the token as a investment asset anymore. I took that money and put it into AI stocks, in just a few months made more than my entire 6 years of being in ETH

- Define "grow larger" when Ethereum didn't scale. Users and their revenue moved to GP L2s or competing L1s. Why things like around 90% of tokenized stock spot volume happen on Solana or perp OI happens on Hyperliquid.
- APY moves up from revenue growth. Revenue growth comes from capturing more users. Most users now on competing L1s. Ethereum hasn't scaled.
- Not sure why you think more validators are needed with more users or why that would equal more value. More validators only needed if more people stake ETH. Generally that just equals Coinbase or Lido spinning up more instances. Majority of holders can't actually "natively stake" or delegate their owned authority without relinquishing ownership over their asset.
- If Ethereum doesn't scale for capital markets on L1: The next best narrative is private digital money or private "digital silver". Mandates from EF suggest they aren't trying to compete for Web3. ETH as money is the main focus with strong attention on encryption. Hence why so many have left. This wasn't their vision.
Sooner everyone gets on same page the better. Ethereum isn't going anywhere, but for ETH to perform the community needs to come back together under one vision. Scale for users & capital markets or lean hard into the best private money. Latter easier for Ethereum.

Telling people the way they can"put ETH to work" is by putting in a lending protocol is obscenely stupid.
This is what people mean when they say there are no use-cases for this stuff other than self-dealing, scams, and looping.

ETH is a swing asset and ranges from around $1K- $5K and has done for many years. For those that bought around $4K or above it’s tough, as it never broke out of that range, but buying at $2k and selling at $4k has been a good strategy. Just needs patience and not to fall into greed mode (it’s going to $10k!) when it does get back to $4k.
Is it worth it for a 2x? Probably not as it’s painful waiting years, managing greed and oftentimes only have days to make a sale before it swings down again.

Yep seeing quite a few community members thinking that dilution is yield.
Giving your own ETH to yourself and calling it yield is.. pretty silly!

It's not energy-free, it's a wealth transfer, not creation from nothing. If we want to modify the amounts, lets stop pretending Ethereum does not have an intentional redistribution mechanism. Self-dilution can fund genuinely productive activity.
Not all dilution-funded yield is circular. Staking rewards funded by inflation, for instance, can be a legitimate cost of network security: analogous to paying miners, not to self-generating free energy.
You know this so your attempt at a catchy phrase again hides the real issue. I am not afraid of facing it head on: *the EIP aims at de-risking high ETH staked % scenarios by reducing the funding dedicated to operators effectively running the network, while pretending It does so for their own good*.
That behavior, plus the real yield talk is the only reason they EIP is facing so much backlash. Poor communication plus misdirected effort.

The only place that Ether (ETH) is natively issued is the Ethereum blockchain. All Ethereum that's any place other than Ethereum L1 (Robinhood Chain <> Ethereum L2) is wrapped/bridged ETH.